07:01:22 <robertl_> #startmeeting 61st Mahara Developer Meeting 07:01:22 <mahara-meetbot> Meeting started Thu Jun 15 07:01:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robertl_. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.mahara.org/wiki/Developer_Area/Developer_Meetings/Chair_Duties#Meetbot_commands. 07:01:22 <mahara-meetbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 07:01:22 <mahara-meetbot> The meeting name has been set to '61st_mahara_developer_meeting' 07:01:33 <robertl_> Hello everyone and welcome 07:01:40 <robertl_> Please introduce yourself with #info 07:01:47 <Gregor_Pirker> #info Gregor Pirker, Danube University Krems, Austria 07:01:50 <robertl_> #info robertl_ is Robert Lyon, Catalyst in Wellington, New Zealand 07:02:22 <cecilia> #info cecilia is Cecilia Vela, Catalyst in Wellington, New Zealand 07:02:41 <dmitriim> #info dmitriim is Dmitrii Metelkin from Catalyst Australia, Melbourne 07:03:53 <robertl_> ok looking at the agenda we begin with topics from last meeting 07:04:03 <robertl_> #topic dajan to get in touch with Emily Lenel and Nicolas Thorel to explain the CAS issues that they are having 07:04:23 <robertl_> but as dajan is not here yet we will have to skip that 07:05:01 <robertl_> so that brings us straight into anitsirk's topic 07:05:20 <robertl_> Apologies from anitsirk - she is unable to make the meeting but she has left me some notes to post, so here goes: 07:05:31 <robertl_> Hello everyone. anitsirk here. Sorry I can't be here today. But I thought I send through an update and have robertl post it. 07:05:38 <robertl_> The development work for Mahara 17.10 is well under way. 07:05:51 <robertl_> #info Features that have already been accepted as new features in 17.10 are marked with "nominatedfeature" on Launchpad and can be viewed via https://bugs.launchpad.net/mahara/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=81641&field.tag=nominatedfeature 07:06:02 <robertl_> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/mahara/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=81641&field.tag=nominatedfeature 07:06:27 <robertl_> please feel free to take a look at that 07:07:14 <robertl_> #info At the moment, the Catalyst team in Wellington is focussing on the AAIM project: Advanced Analytics in Mahara. That is a project started by University of Sussex and Dublin City University to expand the statistics in Mahara. 07:07:33 * robertl_ puts robertl_ hat on again 07:07:52 <robertl_> yep this is the work I'm involved with at the moment 07:08:04 <robertl_> #info You can find out more about the project in a recent presentation by DCU and U of Sussex at https://www.slideshare.net/enhancingteaching/aaim-project-advanced-analytics-in-mahara 07:08:18 <robertl_> #info The statistics area will be greatly expanded and also consolidated to provide easier navigation and more unified navigation for site and institution statistics. 07:11:52 <robertl_> #info You can see all related functionality that is in review and that has already been merged into the codebase at https://reviews.mahara.org/#/q/project:mahara+branch:master+topic:Analytics 07:11:52 <robertl_> currently there is one patch already merged that has moved the stats from Admin home menu to the institution section for the site stats 07:11:52 <robertl_> so if people want to check that out and let me know if there are any problems with that that would be good 07:11:52 <robertl_> so I've done lots of taking - anyone have any questions? 07:12:28 <cecilia> no questions from me 07:13:19 <dmitriim> no questions 07:13:19 <robertl_> Another bit of big work we are taking on is updating the elasticsearch stuff 07:13:22 <robertl_> #info We are also upgrading Elasticsearch to version 5. 07:14:19 <robertl_> currently we use 1.7.x elasticsearch server and Elasitca to connect with it - but 1.7 is way old so are trying to get Mahara working with 5.x 07:14:38 <robertl_> and looking to use the elasticsearch-php plugin instead 07:15:32 <robertl_> we are hoping to make it more integrated with Mahara so we can farm off complex searches to it rather than doing them on the database level 07:16:05 <robertl_> and to begin with we are wanting to do more complex statistics reports this way 07:16:56 <robertl_> if people have ideas of what other bits of Mahara would benefit from elasticsearch feel free to mention them here 07:18:20 * robertl_ feels the view access rules could benefit 07:18:28 <ghada> #info ghada is Ghada El-Zoghbi at Catalyst IT, Sydney. 07:18:44 <robertl_> hi ghada 07:18:53 <ghada> hi robertl_ 07:18:56 <ghada> sorry, was in a meeting 07:19:40 <robertl_> it's mostly been me posting info from anitsirk as she is not present 07:19:49 <robertl_> and then me commenting on things :) 07:21:01 <robertl_> if no one has thoughts on elasticsearch I'll move onto LTI and assignment submission 07:21:14 <robertl_> #info Another piece of work we are engaged in is the expansion of the LTI functionality to also include assignment submission. You can read the ideas at https://wiki.mahara.org/wiki/Developer_Area/Specifications_in_Development/MNet_replacement/LTI_implementation soon we'll make a proposal for the initial development phase. 07:21:54 <robertl_> The proposal will presented to Instructure who's involved in this project as funding partner. 07:22:57 <robertl_> One of the long term goals since I stared is to remove MNet from Mahara and to do that we need to move the assignment submission functionality to webservices and LTI in particular 07:23:42 <robertl_> initially that will mean duplicating the existing functionality but going forward would mean more options/goodness 07:24:40 <robertl_> So if there are things that you want to see Assignment Submission do please let us know 07:26:36 <ghada> do you think we'll have most of this done for 17.10 ? 07:27:32 <robertl_> Not sure - I'd like to be well down the track on getting existing functionality ported to LTI 07:28:51 <robertl_> but who knows as I've not yet looked into how complex that is on the Mahara side 07:29:11 <robertl_> nor what needs to be set up on the Moodle/Canvas/etc side 07:29:49 <ghada> ok 07:30:15 <robertl_> I do believe that Instructure are keen to gets things done 07:30:37 <robertl_> so things should go at a faster pace than in the past 07:30:42 <ghada> are they funding this phase as well? 07:31:17 <robertl_> I believe they want to 07:31:45 <ghada> excellent! 07:32:35 <robertl_> any other questions about this? or shall we move on? 07:32:43 <ghada> let's move on 07:32:57 <robertl_> #info Our Australia team is making progress on getting Mahara ready for cloud storage. If you want to help test this feature, you can find it at https://reviews.mahara.org/#/c/7676 07:33:15 <robertl_> would anyone from au want to talk to this? 07:33:52 <ghada> well, i've had a go at reviewing it. 07:34:17 <ghada> Ilya - the dev who create it - has resigned . 07:34:30 <ghada> so, someone will need to pick up the work. 07:34:51 <ghada> unfortunately, i can't pick it up as I'm up to my ears in other work. 07:35:01 <robertl_> ghada, from your testing - was it mostly ok 07:35:10 <robertl_> or was it needing lots of love? 07:35:33 <dmitriim> me too... as there are plenty of client work 07:35:37 <ghada> i didn't really get a chance to test it in action 07:36:13 <ghada> the testing was just generic testing to get my feet wet .. 07:36:20 <dmitriim> ghada, how much work still needs to be done? 07:36:52 <ghada> I'm not sure to tell you the truth dmitriim 07:37:04 <dmitriim> I'm really keen to work on it if I get a chance 07:37:28 <ghada> that would be great dmitriim ... if you get the chance 07:37:40 <robertl_> hmm, I might see if I can get our tester to do some basic testing as well 07:37:56 <ghada> that would really help robertl_ 07:38:43 <dmitriim> but code still need some love, right? 07:38:44 <robertl_> I'd like to keep that patch ticking along even if people can't work on it at the moment 07:38:52 <ghada> yes dmitriim 07:39:26 <dmitriim> ok 07:40:10 <ghada> These other 2 plugins will also need to be properly tested: 07:40:17 <ghada> https://git.catalyst-au.net/elearning/mahara-module_objectfs 07:40:18 <ghada> https://git.catalyst-au.net/elearning/mahara-module_aws 07:40:29 <ghada> I've put a note in the review 07:42:12 <robertl_> and as per usual 07:42:14 <robertl_> #info There are a few more new features in review at the moment. So take a look there. It would be fantastic if you helped test them at https://reviews.mahara.org 07:42:46 <robertl_> I realise people are busy so is more if you get time thing 07:43:12 <robertl_> #info You can still submit code for new features until the end of July 2017 to be taken into consideration for the October release. 07:43:45 <robertl_> and that concludes my cutting/pasting of anitsirk's info :) 07:44:08 <ghada> good job robertl_ 07:44:20 <robertl_> so brings me to ask does anyone else have a topic to discuss? 07:44:49 <ghada> i have a question... 07:45:11 <ghada> is there a video on setting up lti integration with canvas ? 07:45:14 <ghada> or Moodle? 07:45:42 <robertl_> good question 07:46:58 <ghada> it's no big deal. i just thought it would be nice to actually see it in action 07:46:59 <robertl_> and I'm sure there should be 07:47:17 <ghada> kristina had done one for smartevidence. 07:47:18 * robertl_ can't find anything in manual 07:47:30 <ghada> i just thought she would have done one for the lti integration 07:47:47 <robertl_> I only see http://manual.mahara.org/en/17.04/external/externalapps.html 07:49:13 <robertl_> but I'm sure when she reads over the meeting notes she will either make one and/or point you to it :) 07:49:25 <ghada> I'm sure she will! 07:49:40 <ghada> well, i don't have anything else. 07:50:17 <robertl_> anyone else with something? 07:50:54 <robertl_> ok then 07:50:59 <robertl_> #topic Next meeting and chair 07:51:07 <Gregor_Pirker> Yes, I have one question, I plan to upgrade the mahara´s on the University krems in the middle of July at the moment I have some problem´s with a Mahara 16.10.1 1.) With Mahara Mobile App, IPhones have no problems to connect but Androids cannot. 2.) I cannot insert a Link in A Picture in the editor mode of a view. Is that solved in the high Versions of Mahara or should I open a topic iin the forum? 07:52:40 <robertl_> Gregor_Pirker, how do you mean insert a link in a picture? 07:53:27 * robertl_ is not sure what you are meaning there 07:54:01 <robertl_> with the Mahara mobile issue what version of the app is being used? 07:54:04 <Gregor_Pirker> if I open a normal text block in a view and insert a Picture you cannot linked that 07:56:09 <Gregor_Pirker> please wait a second I will look for 07:57:29 <robertl_> are you meaning ending up with HTML like <p><a href="http://google.com"><img alt="dt.jpg" src="http://mahara-devel/artefact/file/download.php?file=293&view=47&embedded=1&text=156" width="74"></a></p> ? 07:57:59 <robertl_> where the image has an <a> .. </a> link tag around it? 07:58:35 <Gregor_Pirker> yes 07:59:10 <Gregor_Pirker> If I insert it manuel with html it function but not with the editor symbol 07:59:59 <Gregor_Pirker> there are info about the version of the app but it was in the core of 16.10.1 07:59:59 <robertl_> That seems to work for me in 17.04+ if I add the image via icon and then focus on image and click the link icon 08:00:36 <Gregor_Pirker> thanks 08:00:39 <robertl_> make a forum post about it to remind me to check with other version 08:00:48 <robertl_> versions that is 08:01:33 <Gregor_Pirker> :-) okay i will do it 08:01:48 <robertl_> with the Mahara app - I know there have been fixes to it since it was first released 08:03:08 <robertl_> so make a forum post about that mentioning your issues and I'll ask alexey, who has worked on the app more about it 08:03:48 <robertl_> #action robertl_ to follow up on Gregor_Pirker issues 08:03:54 <dmitriim> sorry guys.. I have to go... thanks robertl_ 08:04:11 <Gregor_Pirker> okay :-) Maybe it can be soved if i make the update but i will make a post 08:04:21 <robertl_> ta 08:04:27 <Gregor_Pirker> thanks robertl_ 08:05:13 <robertl_> ok back to the next meeting stuff 08:05:27 <robertl_> first: when will be a good time? 08:05:59 <robertl_> how does July 27th sound? 08:06:37 <Gregor_Pirker> sound´s good for me 08:06:40 <ghada> sure, that works 08:06:48 <cecilia> good for me 08:07:17 <robertl_> and at the same time 7:00 UTC ? 08:07:32 <ghada> ye[ 08:07:34 <ghada> ye[ 08:07:38 <ghada> i can't type!! 08:07:40 <ghada> yes, that works 08:08:09 <robertl_> sooo00ooo the big question - who wants to chair the meeting :) 08:08:10 <Gregor_Pirker> yes it is okay :-) 08:09:51 <robertl_> no one? 08:10:58 <robertl_> ok, I'll do it again 08:11:08 <robertl_> let you all off the hook ;) 08:11:15 <robertl_> #info The 62nd Mahara developer meeting will take place on 27 July 2017 at 7:00 UTC. Chair will be Robert Lyon. https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20170727T07&p1=1440 08:11:35 <robertl_> and so finally 08:11:35 <robertl_> #topic Any other business? 08:11:46 <robertl_> none from me 08:11:54 <cecilia> nothing from me 08:12:03 <Gregor_Pirker> none from me 08:12:09 <ghada> nope 08:12:35 <robertl_> Thank you very much for all the discussion today. See you in person, online and very latest at the next dev meeting. 08:12:44 <robertl_> #endmeeting